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Avoc - Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:51
Post subject: What Do You Think of the Campaign Changes?

A week has now passed by since we introduced the new campaign, and we would like to know what you think about the changes!
Do you like the changes? Hate them? Like them and Hate them? Give us some feedback on how we can improve the server!

I've included a poll, which is just so that we can get a simple overview of what people think, but we would be more appreciative if you commented also! Very Happy

Learning - Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:28
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I dont like both venice(was I expected to like) and forst2, the exp changes things are very nice I think. Also I don't think supply depot should be in both campagians I did recommend sp_delivery for that just because that map is better or Adlernest prehaps. 2x6 is a bit too short imo, I would go for 2x7 of 2x8

Tom - Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:39
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Its okay, but please remove Frost. awfull map.
Venice I can live with for now, but I think it will get bored if it stays in the cycle for 6 months or so.

Avoc - Sat Jul 24, 2010 13:04
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Learning wrote:

The two maps that are in both campaigns (braundorf and supply), are so, because they have the highest rating in our mapstats. According to the mapstats, most players connect/are playing during supply and braundorf. So, its a calculated attempt to maximize connections Razz

Yes, frost has been recieved badly by the players, and will most likely get removed very soon.

Learning - Sat Jul 24, 2010 13:11
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Ahh I see, than I say that the should stay and if the campagian is going to be 2x7 or more and there is a shortance on maps you should go for delivery or adlernest I think.

*deadone - Sat Jul 24, 2010 13:19
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I like 6 map idea, much better than 8 (edit 10!). Servers with super high xp whores dont attract players as it isnt a level playing field.

Get rid of Frost2 (sadly as i liked it until i realised how unbalanced it is against allies)

Venice is an awful map and is associated with nub pubs, which your server cleary isn't Smile

Swap it for Marrakech / Missle / Pipeline(?) if you need a big map.

Agree not to have Supply in both rotations. There are plenty of good maps to choose from e.g's
ET Ice

SW Fuel

ET Beach

Dubrovnik

Karisah

My thoughts Born L33T

Whatever you do, thanks for a great server eft Thanks

Bushi - Sat Jul 24, 2010 13:46
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*deadone wrote:

I like 6 map idea, much better than 8. Servers with super high xp whores dont attract players as it isnt a level playing field.

Get rid of Frost2 (sadly as i liked it until i realised how unbalanced it is against allies)

Venice is an awful map and is associated with nub pubs, which your server cleary isn't Smile

Swap it for Marrakech / Missle / Pipeline(?) if you need a big map.

Agree not to have Supply in both rotations. There are plenty of good maps to choose from e.g's
ET Ice

SW Fuel

ET Beach

Dubrovnik

Karisah

My thoughts Born L33T

Whatever you do, thanks for a great server eft Thanks

² Was going to make the same post.

I want frost to be removed, because humbly said "it sucks".

I also got the feeling venice is leading to a suddenly less populated server - could be wrong.

For maps :

I would propose to replace frost by Karsiah T2

If Venice 'would' dissapear it would be great if we can put pipeline (map from ET-Atlas & Avoc) on.

Et_beach & Dubrovnik are maps which I also would like to play. Et_ice also but I am not sure people will connect/stay when it's on.

Bannyx - Sat Jul 24, 2010 14:21
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I much prefer how it was before the changes. 10 map campaign with bremen & et_ice, don't think eft// has had et_ice before.

garf - Sat Jul 24, 2010 14:26
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at 1st i thought will rock Very Happy

,but it simply doesn*t Sad

The Frost2 map it*s a criminal map for axis and imo it*s ugly Very Happy

And as for Venice i simply liked it when we were pub,with normal pub maps.Coz in that time everybody played for obj,now on pro it*s horrible to play half and hour just trying to get out of spawn.
as for 2 campaigns ,well it*s cool coz we don*t got that much spam like it use to be

Imfulus - Sat Jul 24, 2010 15:49
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agree with everyonee here preety much,
i like the two map campaign system, but then again, i still like the original 10map, having said that, i dont mind either Very Happy

obviously frost2 is a downner! and nice post deadone, i would melt over the prospect of etbeach on eft server Dancing

i dont know any other maps you mention haha Very Happy

but yeah, a change to frost2 and perhaps venice if people want a change, then this current campaign could become quite epic
<3

*deadone - Fri Jul 30, 2010 07:16
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Have to say that i'm back to thinking Frost2 is a good map. Allies can win quite easily once CP built. Gj whoever wrote the map Very Happy

Dipies - Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:30
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some improvement but it's a good map so far but might not be an etpro map

Bushi - Sat Jul 31, 2010 13:19
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+ 100 complaints from players on the server concerning combination frost & venice Disgusted

Avoc - Sat Jul 31, 2010 15:28
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As long as those 100 complaints aren't just yours Laughing

There will be a mapvote shortly.

Bushi - Sat Jul 31, 2010 16:36
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If you want to add my complaints also put a 0 zero behind it Mr. Green

Learning - Mon Aug 16, 2010 20:48
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Still think forst is a bad map, and still think aldernest and delivery forstbite are better maps for double spots

eternal_frost - Mon Aug 16, 2010 21:40
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dubrovnik is a little fun map and you should consider fueldump, cause it's big. but you should put it first than, cause otherwise there's too much artillery rape.

Learning - Mon Aug 16, 2010 21:53
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fuel dump didnt work out good last time even tought it was a editted version(almost the same)

eternal_frost - Mon Aug 16, 2010 22:00
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maybe try again Very Happy

Bushi - Mon Aug 16, 2010 22:08
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Fueldump

eternal_frost - Mon Aug 16, 2010 22:13
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it's nice if you can TJ up the building... xD

Learning - Mon Aug 16, 2010 22:15
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eternal_frost wrote:

it's nice if you can TJ up the building... xD

most people on the server arnt master bunny D:

eternal_frost - Mon Aug 16, 2010 22:20
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that jump is an easy one...

Learning - Mon Aug 16, 2010 22:23
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eternal_frost wrote:

that jump is an easy one...

you were the one talking about relativiteit right?

eternal_frost - Mon Aug 16, 2010 22:24
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lol

yes I did, but if you're a little trained in tj, it's easy
I can jump across the houses on dubrovnik, too... ^^

Avoc - Mon Aug 16, 2010 22:28
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Fueldump was one of the least popular maps, so I doubt we will have it return soon. Dubrovnik was in the last mapvote, and it didnt win. After the map test of Pipeline, I think we will try it out for a bit and see how it goes.

Learning - Mon Aug 16, 2010 22:30
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can you give us dates nedim(a)?

Avoc - Mon Aug 16, 2010 22:32
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This weekend for the test - depending on how it goes, we will see how fast we can put it in the rotation.

zed666 - Mon Aug 16, 2010 23:55
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Learning wrote:

eternal_frost wrote:

that jump is an easy one...

you were the one talking about relativiteit right?

You mean the covert sniping house at the start or the fueldump leftmost building? Both are doable, but the latter is a bit more in plain sight :/
Is the version you've tried here the one without the tank?

.Jenova. - Tue Aug 17, 2010 00:01
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tj on fueldump is easy one Wink

Learning - Tue Aug 17, 2010 00:55
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sniper is easy but jumping on the axis building D: No can do

eternal_frost - Tue Aug 17, 2010 00:55
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where the tank has to blow up the gate, that building, the 2nd axis spawn

*deadone - Tue Aug 17, 2010 08:08
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I think the votes count should be reset as we have now had a chance to play Frost2. Atm it is going and i think that Frost is a better map than that vote says, especially against Venice which should be removed.

Jenniey - Tue Aug 17, 2010 09:46
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*deadone wrote:

I dont like venice either.. that map is taking to long. and some people are always disconnecting with that map. better for us if the server is full and we wanna get in Laughing

haha (The same with Oasis)

but why we dont try maps like Karsiah? or Beach? Caen?? Dubrovnik? Desert temple? Oasis winter? (better then the sand) Laughing

or do Siwa oasis.. a bit different.

http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/40/files2/45472_3.jpg

http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/40/files2/45472_5.jpg

http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/40/files2/45472_6.jpg

Wink

*deadone - Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:02
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I would rather have Venice than ever ever see temple again!!!! Amongst the worst mass played maps ever - bloody snipers!!

Agree with all the others, Karsiah is cool Smile

Jenniey - Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:40
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Haha it was just some examples of maps... Razz

lol ◦Dubrovnik ? also nice map.. Railgun? Razz

hahaha Omg thats fucking a while ago.. i played that map Razz

*deadone - Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:11
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Just my opinion of course Jenniey Very Happy

Jenniey - Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:36
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lol

eternal_frost - Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:19
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the oasis you're talking about is the stopwatch oasis or also called "sw_oasis_te"

the only thing about venice I don't like is when you're being allied you often don't have a chance of survival in the 2nd part, too much lean near the health and ammo cabin, counts too for the part where you go trough the doors, often campers and leaners near the foot bridge, the area where the tank drives trough is too open for axis attack, ...

I freakin hate karsiah and desert temple, I'd rather play venice two times than that

beach would be too much artillery rape and it's way too big to download for some people

caen would be an option, but I'm for dubrovnik the most part, awesome map

maybe eft should consider some maps and call a vote which map should be removed and which map should be put on

but that's just my opinions and ideas

Jenniey - Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:44
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Ey et,

it just said some maps like a example.. I dont like them all either..

Laughing

And that oasis.. I know ..I played it a lot with wars. but i like that kind of oasis more then the normal 1.

and dubrovnik is indd a nice map Very Happy

and i like karsiah also Razz

and beach is just awesome sometimes.. Razz

if there isnt to much snipers or artillery.. Razz

everyone haves his own opinions and ideas .. , and the ideas and opinions are welcome Smile

Learning - Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:51
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replace forst with cean and venice with beach
put supply depot only 1 time in the campagian and delivery or aldernest 2 times

thats my idea of a good campagian

*deadone - Tue Aug 17, 2010 13:21
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ET Ice, ET Ice, ET Ice!

Beach is good, but shouldnt be a late campaign map as souped up axis are on the whole unbeatable.

eternal_frost - Tue Aug 17, 2010 14:34
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et ice, haven't played that in ages... but it's nice too

Avoc - Tue Aug 17, 2010 14:36
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Won't be so nice with 24 players

Jenniey - Tue Aug 17, 2010 14:37
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Et ice rocks 2 Very Happy

eternal_frost - Tue Aug 17, 2010 14:54
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yeah, you're right avoc xD
small paths trough the bunker -> nade / arty spam

*deadone - Tue Aug 17, 2010 15:14
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Avoc wrote:

Won't be so nice with 24 players

I have never tried it with 24. Tbh some of the other maps arent exactly suited for 24, but we still have fun e.g. Alder (axis run towards docs) / Braundorf (nade spam from axis 2nd spawn) etc Razz

Jenniey - Tue Aug 17, 2010 15:16
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with a 3o3 or 6o6 was etice fun .. Razz

but dont know about 24 Razz

Tom - Tue Aug 17, 2010 19:43
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mmh caen , that is been a long time since I played that one.

Learning - Tue Aug 17, 2010 19:46
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Tom wrote:

mmh caen , that is been a long time since I played that one.

mmh venice, thats a too short time since i played that one.

I see a replacement :]
btw nice signature Razz

*deadone - Tue Aug 17, 2010 23:03
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Learning wrote:

btw nice signature Razz

zed666 - Sat Aug 21, 2010 19:57
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>;(

Avoc - Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:20
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Both maps 'suck' playerstats wise.

http://eft-clan.com/mapstats.php?server=89.149.229.247%3A27960&mingames=10&minplayers=8&maxplayers=34&datefrom=01%2F08%2F2010&dateto=22%2F08%2F2010
(stats from the last 22 days)

Frost just sucks more.

zed666 - Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:30
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Avg players are both low, yes, but venice has 1.36 times more disconnects, and frost is right after venice, which explains the lower p count =P.

So both of the maps suck, yes, but not as much as having both of them in a row!

The question is, how much longer will the suck on the server? (*khm*mapvote*khm*)

Jenniey - Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:31
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Oasis is also worse Razz

Learning - Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:24
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sooo remove oasis also and put braundorf,aldernest or delivery 2 times on. :]

eternal_frost - Sun Aug 22, 2010 13:04
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would be too boring

*deadone - Sun Aug 22, 2010 13:28
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eternal_frost wrote:

would be too boring

Agree.

Frost - Is it possible it is a case of 'new mapitis?' i.e. that people dont know what to do and dont try and learn? How have other new maps done?

If it does have anything to do with this then any new maps are going to largely have the same result?

Venice - Its not liked Razz

zed666 - Sun Aug 22, 2010 13:30
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Oasis has a smaller connects/disconnects rate than frost/venice. And well it's an original map, can't hurt to have those ;P! Don't really have massive disconnects when it comes up, more at the end of it (end of campaign).

Bushi - Sun Aug 22, 2010 15:08
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If would like this cycle with 1 map extra (just my feeling dont shoot me Very Happy

) :

Campaign One:
Et_beach - Goldrush TE - Braundorf - Adlernest - Supply - Oasis - Dubrovnik

Campaign Two:
Karsiah 2 - Frostbite - Radar - Braundorf - Delivery - Supply - Oasis_te/caen

Or put venice on <20 min (instead of 30!!) and remove frost (or vice versa)

Dipies - Sun Aug 22, 2010 15:25
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et ice is better than et beach

Bushi - Sun Aug 22, 2010 15:51
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It is but I have my doubts with a lot of players (especially near obj).

*deadone - Sun Aug 22, 2010 16:26
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Bushi - both those rotations look good, but do you need a large map? I say pipeline should be given a shot at least because of all the work that has been put in.

Btw I think both Ice and Beach could be played, just early in the rotations Smile

eternal_frost - Sun Aug 22, 2010 16:28
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I agree. beach would be actually an option. ice maybe too.

Jenniey - Sun Aug 22, 2010 16:38
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I agree with bushi.. nice campaigns.. Smile

garf - Sun Aug 22, 2010 16:48
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nice campaigns bushido Very Happy

Dipies - Sun Aug 22, 2010 16:53
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you just got bushido rolled Smile

eternal_frost - Sun Aug 22, 2010 17:28
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I wold like it like this:

Campaign One:
Et_beach - Goldrush TE - Braundorf - Adlernest - Supply - Oasis - Dubrovnik

Campaign Two:
Et_Ice - Frostbite - Caen - Braundorf - Delivery - Supply - Oasis_te

GodOfThunder - Sun Aug 22, 2010 18:21
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Get back Railgun, Siwa Oasis, Battery and Fuel Dump!

Jenniey - Sun Aug 22, 2010 18:28
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Also great eternal Very Happy

eternal_frost - Sun Aug 22, 2010 21:02
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battery and fuel dump would be acutally nice, but most people dont want them, especially fuel dump

GodOfThunder - Sun Aug 22, 2010 21:40
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FD is one of the best maps ever made!

Avoc - Sun Aug 22, 2010 22:14
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True - but fueldump is also one of the maps that gives me most headache, because of all of the complaining about how horrible it is Laughing

GodOfThunder - Sun Aug 22, 2010 22:18
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For the time I have played as an active and pre member, it was simply great and lots of fun!

Learning - Sun Aug 22, 2010 22:22
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Avoc wrote:

True - but fueldump is also one of the maps that gives me most headache, because of all of the complaining about how horrible it is Laughing

FD is not a goodmap, battery is cool and i want to see pipeline :] or markesch @ night back the last would be the best.

anagaro - Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:23
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remove oasis and put kariash_te2 or bremen_b3.

Bannyx - Sat Sep 04, 2010 15:05
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How about...:

1. grush; fueldump; radar; railgun; oasis; battery

2. bremen; supply; frostbite; braundorf; aldernest; delivery

Classic campaign first & then custom - could work (:

*deadone - Sat Sep 04, 2010 15:27
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ooooh Rail and fuel?? that could be a bit too much old school tbh! sw_fuel only - did anyone ever tweak rail?

Bannyx - Mon Sep 06, 2010 15:38
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That's the point, everybody knows the old school maps Smile

Avoc - Mon Sep 06, 2010 16:29
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I don't think Battery will be fun though

Bannyx - Mon Sep 06, 2010 16:57
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Works okay on hirntot!

*deadone - Mon Sep 06, 2010 17:08
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Yer, but Rail? Its a bad map tbh as is the original fuel - but just my opinion of course!

Someone should have tweaked Rail to make the tug only be able to go in one direction i.e. its destination rather than backwards and forwards it would have helped.

I have been playing ET since 2005, RTCW before that and i have almost no love for any of the old maps - I hate Radar, Rail, Fuel, Battery with Goldrush and Oasis being the exception. New maps are what has kept me into the best game I have ever played, i do hope that the server doesnt go backwards Confused

zed666 - Mon Sep 06, 2010 17:31
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Battery is try-able as long as its the version with the back door dynoable Razz

Avoc - Mon Sep 06, 2010 18:10
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We will try with et_beach which will replace frost, and Atari's map (when its finished) to replace venice. Depending on how much people like Atari's map, we will see what to do next.

But please continue with the suggestions, they are welcome! I personally would love to run more original maps and new maps, but in the end we also need to think about what other players want to play.

anagaro - Mon Sep 06, 2010 20:16
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replace oasis or venice, not frost

Avoc - Mon Sep 06, 2010 21:31
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Frost and venice kill the server, therefore they will go.

Tom - Mon Sep 06, 2010 21:33
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Please don't wait anymore to remove any of those two. It really is a server killer. And a mood killer for me personally.

*deadone - Mon Sep 06, 2010 22:21
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Avoc wrote:

Frost and venice kill the server, therefore they will go.

Frost 2?

zed666 - Mon Sep 06, 2010 23:07
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*deadone wrote:

Avoc wrote:

Frost and venice kill the server, therefore they will go.

Frost 2?

frost_comp_b6 is the killer, the one coming right after venice.

Avoc - Mon Sep 06, 2010 23:11
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Its a one-two punch really.

*deadone - Mon Sep 06, 2010 23:40
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I still don't get why people don't like it! What do you think is hated?

I had a really good game the other day, allies finished in a good time and it was a fair scrap. Zed i think you played, i arty spammed your ass Razz

Avoc - Tue Sep 07, 2010 01:11
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There are lots of maps I personally like, but that made people disconnect. In cases like this, I can't afford to put my subjective taste infront of what is best for the server. Of course we will still try with new maps now and then, I we will not always stick to the same campaign since I believe its good to freshen things up a bit (like with the 2x6 campaign change) - but there is a limit of course.

Dipies - Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:45
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what about TF2 ? Very Happy

*deadone - Tue Sep 07, 2010 13:12
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Avoc wrote:

Agree, but my question is why people dont like it, i consider it to have a radar (but good Razz

) feel to it. Forum folks - Why dont you like it?

I just wonder if there are always going to be disconnecting problems with new maps? If so Pipeline will go exactly the same way.

Also it is the start of a new campaign so maybe people just quit as they have had enough?

I appreciate I'm trolling a bit here, but if Marakesh evenutally became popular i feel this could too Smile

Dipies - TF2 Laughing

Learning - Tue Sep 07, 2010 13:52
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Dipies wrote:

what about TF2 ? Very Happy

good point

Dipies - Tue Sep 07, 2010 15:42
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honestly why so much anger / rage about ET ? all maps are good Smile

except not so good maps Smile

*deadone - Tue Sep 07, 2010 16:25
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Dipies wrote:

honestly why so much anger / rage about ET ? all maps are good Smile

except not so good maps Smile

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